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What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

topic posted Tue, December 18, 2007 - 6:01 PM by  Suzi O!
What's the problem with SF Santacon? Too many people, that's what!

"The ferry didn't hold all the Santas"
"I got seperated from my 100 friends"
"OAK is the GHETTO. I don't feel safe in my slutty Santa outfit"

Do you have any idea what the organizers do for you?They start planning this thing months in advance discussing routes that might make sense, phone bars and beg tenders to hire extra staff for the day, occasionally notify and escort police, creating songbooks, posting info and then the day of, herding cats. They don't get to drink. They barely get to talk to anyone. It's the most thankless job ever and it's all because they love Santa and don't want to see it fall into the hands of people who think it's easy and it just happens.

They went to OAK because there's just too many goddamn people going to Santa and we need a place to stretch out....and also to shake things up. Most freaks live there, after all.

I don't organize or herd people anymore because I hate it. I say we start charging money and renting buses...make it all structured and shit. Think I'm crazy? YOU try herding 700 people and partying at the same time.
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  • Re: What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

    Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:10 PM
    We're still beating this drum??? Ok we get it. Don't herd Santas. EVAR!

    I keep saying, this town is big enough for more than one event. I know some of the organizers (and I even spoke to them at Santa Con, so I guess they CAN talk to people while herding). I love them dearly. I told them then and will again, they should have made it known sooner that we would not be in the city.

    But there are hats in the ring to plan next year. So toast to a fun weekend, toast to our organizers, and toast the future of Santa getting his drink on in the bay area!
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  • Re: What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

    Tue, December 18, 2007 - 11:08 PM
    >Do you have any idea what the organizers do for you?

    Yes, I do. But when they pull power-trip shit and spring it on Santa less than 24 hours before the event, that Santa will now be in deserted downtown Oakland..... that sucks. They must have known it would be an unpopular decision-- why else would they keep it secret?

    Look, SantaCon is about interacting with the public. If it wasn't, why the fuck wouldn't Santa just converge on an empty field somewhere and stand around admiring each other and taking photos and getting drunk?

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      Re: What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

      Wed, December 19, 2007 - 8:13 AM
      power trip? jeebus! we had hoped the idea of sf getting on the ferry and oakland peeps getting a fun surprise as well as sf santas getting to enjoy a ferry ride. and kimballs was the perfect place to fit all the santas in one place. i mean, does that suck that we wanted to keep everyone all together?

      <shaking head>

      maybe you should read up on past events and see we were trying to do what has been done in years past since it all started. unfortunately, we now realize that it's hard to pull off with such a huge crowd. and quite honestly no one ever knows how many to expect.
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      • Re: What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

        Wed, December 19, 2007 - 8:27 AM
        So if it wasn't a power-trip.... why didn't you announce it earlier? You didn't have to announce a route or anything, but perhaps a "Hey, we're doing it in Oakland this year!" would have been sufficient.

        And I think the answer is pretty clear: because many people wouldn't have gone to Oakland.
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        • Re: What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

          Wed, December 19, 2007 - 8:40 AM
          Actually, some of us like the element of surprise. I personally thought it was creative. And routes are never given ahead, they never have been.

          Last year in Portland, part of the route needed a river crossing, and boats had been arranged. But for whatever reason, there weren't enough, and the wait on the dock was really really long, and eventually a bunch of us just drove. There was no whining, there was no, "Oh my god, we have to CROSS THE RIVER???" There was no outrage that the boats were insufficient; it was just another new thing to deal with and everyone did. Things carried on and we had a great time.

          Yes, I know, the Bay is wider than the river... It's still not that far. It's harder to get to the Cliff House from downtown than it is to get to Oakland without driving.

          And I'm sorry, if some people simply WON'T go to some place, whose problem is that? It's not like we were going to inaccessible or dangerous places.
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    Re: What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

    Wed, December 19, 2007 - 2:01 AM
    "...don't want to see it fall into the hands of people who think it's easy and it just happens."

    except in SF it was easy and it did just happen. just sayin.

    props to the organizers for all their hard work. the oakland route was well planned and tidy and everyone had fun. sf, on the other hand, was unplanned and fractured and everyone had fun.
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    • Re: What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

      Wed, December 19, 2007 - 8:26 AM
      "except in SF it was easy and it did just happen."

      Yes, that's the beauty of a smaller group!
      Were there about 200 Santas in the SF splinter? (Just curious.)
      What was the route? Any idea of the reactions of the establishment?
      It's good to note which places were pro-Santa/anti-Santa (for next year).

      I, for one, was kinda relieved when the split happened.
      Not because I wanted to see people go ('specially YOU, Miss Tickle!), but a group of about 400 is much more reasonable for bars to deal with than a group of 800.
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        Re: What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

        Wed, December 19, 2007 - 2:41 PM
        Yeah, i recognize it could only happen that way with a smaller group... I'm all for multiple, smaller santa contingents next year, with maybe a couple of planned meetups for the whole group throughout the day (in big open places like parks or squares).

        Here's how it went down for this santa: When I got to north beach around 3, there seemed to be two groups of about 100 each (my crowd counting is highly unreliable, so I'm keeping it on the conservative side). My group headed to Irish Bank, which didn't seem to have any problems accomodating us. Next to union square, with about 75 santas doing the macy's mob, then Lefty's, which seemed a little stretched but again no problems. By the time we got to Redwood Room, we were only about 50 santas, again no probs, then we filled this little dive bar on Geary (can't remember the name, but they were _way_ into us, they were empty before we got there) before heading back to union square to meet the East Bay santas (on the way to do their own Macy's run), in to Gold Dust, and eventually zeitgeist (in the end, I'd guess about 300 santas were there).

        The SF groups were really fluid. We were all in generally the same vicinity, so one set of 50 might wander into a strip club while others made it to a bar, but eventually we'd find eachother again. It seemed like every location had a different group - it was great to keep seeing new people!

        The only places that really didn't seem to like us were Macy's (fuck 'em) and Union Square (security guards called the cops, but it was an empty threat).
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    • Re: What a bunch of entitled fucks you complainers are.

      Wed, December 19, 2007 - 8:31 AM
      That can work for a smaller group (note that it coat-tailed on the fact that someone had already planned for them to be at the ferry at that time). But I've been to two cons bigger than 700 people this year. That would never work without planning unless it does fracture, since no bar is going to be able to handle a surprise infusion of 700 patrons. And as we have heard loud and clear, Santa wants bars, and a Drinking Santa in a bar who can't get a drink isn't a Happy Santa, and a Drinking Santa that's not a Happy Santa is a Fragile Santa, and 700 Fragile Santas scares the crap outa me...

      Of course, if they all meet in one place and just spread out all over the city, that doesn't require any planning (or much less). And if they meet in different places, then even less planning. But it does eliminate the effect of 700 Santas roaming around together. Which might be OK. Maybe that's the new Santacon...
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